It Lives

[Farabomb]

After 45 hours of no sleep and a whole weekend of working on my car it turned over tonight. :D

I still have a few little issues before it goes back on the road but it should be done this weekend. After not having it since april 1st it was a wonderful sound. That and I didn't have the catback on. ;)

I'll post pics and details later. Right now I have to catch up on some sleep.

[dicki]

nice work ;)

whats left to do before you go racin'?

[Flybye]

Originally posted by Farabomb
..... it was a wonderful sound. That and I didn't have the catback on. ;)....
Hehe.
I :love: the sound of that flat 4 :thumbsup:

[WesM63]

Congrats Fara!! Mine keeps getting pused back, now its down to money. I'm hoping by the end of the month.


PICS!!

[Farabomb]

I'm not going to post pics till it's done and on the road. Look in the engine bay thread for a teaser. It wasn't running when I took that pic. I just put the IC on top of it and clicked a pic. :D

[Farabomb]

Too dark for pictures right now.

Had it's first road test on friday, no major issues besides the full tank of 87 I had in it. ;) Burned most of that off this weekend. As soon as I know I have all hightest in I'll blank the computer to kill the bad fuelmap and have it re-learn for 91. I have a re-flashed ECU so even my car's computer is overclocked. :) All the good settings are in non-volitile memory so It can re-learn everything with good fuel. I also have a few homebrew recipes for octane booster so on trackdays I can run 95+ octane with standard pumpgas.

The car is silly fast.... I don't even need 2nd gear any longer and 3 and 4 pull like a beast. 5 still gives me 3k on the tach at highway speeds. Boost comes on at 2500 and full 15lbs is a little later around 3200. Stock boost controler makes it hit a little later and slower but I'm keeping my TurboXS manual boost controler in my desk for a while. I can have full boost sooner but I'd rather have the smoothness of the ECU controling the boost and fuel.

I still have work to do, few more gauges to install, figuring out why one doesn't work but all little stuff. My V.3 STi dash will take some getting used to. Higher redline on the tach meets up with the RPM cut of the flashed ECU but calcluating the KPH to MPH on the fly for police presesnce is a little rough.

You won't get 1/4 mile times out of me, not enough turns for my tastes. ;) Stock WRX's fear me and a lot of moded ones are scared. I don't do the street racing thing, far too dangerous and risky. At least at the track if you wad it up EMS will be there in seconds to save your a$$.

Hopefully word won't get out on my beat up impreza and I won't have people trying to take it from me. One of my teammates had his taken in front of him and his wife yesterday. He confronted them and decided 3 on 1 were bad odds and let them have it. They F'n pushed it down the street right in front of him becasue they couldn't start it. Proves even with fuel kill switches and clutch locks if they want it, they'll take it. :aargh!: :frown3: :notgood:

I'll have pics of the semi-finished project tommrow. Well worth the money and time I spent doing it. The list of names that helped is huge but the top ones are, in no order: Paisan (Mike T) shop manager and provider of transportation for months my car was off the road, Zephyr wiring master, Adam and Ed parts and tireless labor powered by mountain dew and alochol, Frank (aka sheep f**ker ;) ) for technical advice and parts donation, Migs for donating a case of redbull to the cause, and everyone that provided beer, parts, help and motovation.

Sorry for the long post but thanks for reading. :D

[Flybye]

Wow so you did the engine and the gauge cluster. You really wanted to go all out to get the STI feel!

Glad to hear you're enjoying it.

One thing I really miss up there is the 94 octane from Sunoco :(

[WesM63]

Congrats fara!!!

I'm still waiting :(

[Farabomb]

It's a USDM 2.0 with V7 JDM intercooler. Couldn't afford a full Ver7 JDM swap. There are a few more STi parts on it as well. :) It was a b*tch to find a early mechanical speedo cluster but it was worth it.

Fuel pressure and level will be istalled by this weekend along with fixing my oil pressure gauge. Mounting them will be a different issue.

[dicki]

how come the octane ratings over there are so low? super unleaded over here is 97octane :)

[Flybye]

Originally posted by dicki
how come the octane ratings over there are so low? super unleaded over here is 97octane :)
For the same reason why it is mandatory for seatbelts to be worn, but motorcyclists have the option of NOT having to wear a helmet or full body armor...............because our government is stupid.

[Farabomb]

As promised

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[WesM63]

:slobber: She looks very mean. I'll keep my distance and keep looking at the taillights ;)

[Flybye]

I know it's a rally car, but you gotta repaint that bumper at some point :D

[Farabomb]

You should see the back one. After a night of snow drifting I ran out of gas in the driveway of the station. Had to have my friend push me with his maxima. :(

I really don't care about the exterior of the car. The driveline is enough to allmost pull the front wheels up in 1 & 2. Lack of LSD's are allready coming apperent but will be fixed in the near future. Rear disc and testing for racingbrakes new 4 pot fronts will improve the brakes. It's not ready for the track but I can allready out brake most on the street. Springs and rollbars need to be addressed first for body roll. Running the stock rear 13mm coathanger isn't helping. I have bars at the shop but I've been busy with other things besides the car. ;) Hopefully she may be able to correct the paint issues through some contacts. :)

If I end up spraying the bumpers they will be new V4 pieces along with a AL hood as well. The scoops will remain black, ties in with the black door handles and trim. I perfer the sleeper/beater look over the flashy. Keeps people from stealing my stuff.

I still have a pile of parts to install but It's on the road now. Fuel gauge is key now that it sucks 91 octane like a crack addict on boost. I'm driving a lot slower now with the boost gauge swinging around and the KPH speedo helps. 100 KPH makes me think I'm driving too fast. :)

[Flybye]

I almost ended up upgrading to the Porsche "Big Reds"
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These things are HUGE :eek: but were super heavy, too. 13" rotors and 4 pot like my front stock calipers. I didn't end up getting them because of their weight. I'll probably end up getting the Jspec brake system which consists of 12.5" rotors, and only weight slightly more than my stock system which consists of 11.5" rotors. Brake fade was a problem with stock pads, but the EBC Reds kinda helped out a little bit :)

Hey you ever gonna upgrade to a FMIC or you staying with the stocker?

[Farabomb]

The thing with front mounts on scoobies is they're lagmounts. The turbo is on the back side of the engine and you have to pressurize 6 feet of tubing with a fm. With the TMIC there's a lot less tubing run so boost comes on a lot quicker. With the upgraded STi TMIC I can run any stock IHI turbo with no issues. I'm more about lowend boost, topend really doesn't help me. I'm making a IC sprayer now for it so it should help with the heatsoak it gets under the hood.

[Flybye]

6 feet? Damn lol
On the RX, the most I'll probably have even with a FMIC is probably between 4-5 feet. But since you only have one turbo, yeah the more tubing you have the more it will kill ya. My stock IC sucks though. I'm still debating on getting a FMIC or large one that goes in the stock location. Bad thing about a FMIC is that it blocks airflow to my rad. So stock mount IC and heatsoak, or FMIC and buy a bigger rad which means more mulla.

My biggest problem is heat soak. Rotaries act like small nuclear reactors.

I've read of people hooking up an air temperature sensor to the IC piping, hooking it up to a small controller, and when temperatures reach X amount, the controller automatically turns a water pump on. One less thing to worry about while on the track :)

Have you ever thought about ceramic coating your downpipe/exhaust & intake manifolds? I have my upper intake manifold and turbo Y pipe coated from www.jethot.com Funny thing about the coating is that it almost acts like a polish job! I actually felt a differance in performance after I reinstalled everything. Butt Dyno was impressed :D

My buddy that had a 500hp 89 stang that had the same heat problem. It would get crazy hot in the cockpit. He bought new headers and exhaust piping and sent it out to JetHot to get coated. Got it all back and had a muffler shop install it all. Let me tell you, it was a HUGE differance. I could not believe what a differance that coating made. Before, you could sit in the Stang and just sweat with the engine on idle. With the newly coated exaust system, it was a comfortable warm temp inside.

I like suggesting the coatings because it really makes a differance. My friend that was custom building a single turbo setup for his RX-7 was told by the guy making his manifold that "If you coat the manifold, the turbo will spool almost 500rpms faster"

[WesM63]

hehe big reds :D

Once i get my car finished (i now have the money) i'm putting coilovers in the front and koin yellow's in the rear. Stock brakes are ok, just have to upgrade the rest of the suspension. I also plan on attending some DE events shortly. :)

[Flybye]

Originally posted by WesM63
hehe big reds :D .......
I knew you'd like the shot of them ;)

[WesM63]

:D I'd like the shot better if they where on my car :)

[Flybye]

Originally posted by WesM63
:D I'd like the shot better if they where on my car :)
It's a shame I wasn't on this forum when I had that front system in my hands to sell it to you. If I remember right, I ebayed the 2 rotors, hats, calipers, SS braided lines, and machined aluminum adapters to fit a 911....all for about $1200.

I even had the monoblock rear calipers I sold for about $1000

[speculative]

Very :cool: Farabomb...

-spec

[unacceptable_risk]

Yeah Fara, that came up a treat! :D

Looks factory fit. I am a big header coatings fan myself. Keeping the heat in the primary header chamber allows your extractors to retain air pressure for a clean pulse. The air cooling and contracting further down the pipe helps suck the next exhaust charge. It can prolong turbo life also. Lol, its never going to be as hot as a rotary tho.

Hey Fara, a couple o things I wanted to mention. Some engineering firm in AUS modifies the throttlebody plumbing so it draws from the front. Goes beautifully with the FMIC. IF you want any pictures or info, I'm sure I can dig them up. Saves several foot of pipe.

The other is,( And I'm sure your aware of this) I have mates playing with fitting a throttle body pre-turbo. it actuates at 1/3 timing before the main inlet butterfly. Creates an extreme low pressure area where the inlet turbine is spooling, and just like a vacume cleaner with your curtains 1/2 way up it, the blades spool right up quickly. End result is when you get on the gas again, you have awesome turbo rpm and savage pick up.

This is a huge post srry, but I couldnt go without saying get rid of the wrx bonnet. I'm sorta shocked about your m8's car. I run a sleeper myself for the same reason, but man your neighbourhood is obviously heaps rougher than mine.:eek:

[Farabomb]

Should look factory, allmost everything is factory race or STi. :)

I was going to port match the manafold and have it coated but time ran out. That will be one of the winter projects. Spining the intake is simple. I beleive you just unbolt and spin it. You loose the AC because the throttle body is now where the alt. is and you just move the alt to the AC placement. That engine won't make enough power to warrant a FMIC. Also I'll still get more lag than I'd like. In auto-x and trackdays I'll need the power to come on quick so a big top end turbo does me no good.

The pre-turbo sounds a lot like anti-lag. When the throttle is let up the ECU adavances the timing like 40 Deg and dumps fuel. That makes the exuast valves open super early and you get combustion in the exhuast manifold. That keeps the turbo spinning when off the throttle so when you open it back up it's still spooled and there is much less lag. The thing with that is it kills the exhuast in quick fashion and I'd have to run catless. The car is still my daily driver so that's a little much. I'd be blowing flame out the tailpipe and I'm sure the local police will have issue with that.

I really like the WRX hood, in fact I'm ordering a JDM aluinium one to replace the dented one. I will probally have the whole thing sprayed white when I get it but I'm liking the black and white. :D

[unacceptable_risk]

Fair call, on the bonnet. I really like them too. Just thinking its the only give away when the engine isnt running. (hmmm alloy):D

The pre-turbo butterfly is not related to what you described as far as I know. What you described sounds like skyline shananagains lol, nasty. This is alot more backyard than that. It's sole purpose is to create an extreme low pressure zone where the input impellor is spinning. With little to no air pressure, the turbo is free to spin with ease. It is more like blowoff augmentation than anything else. Just stick your hand over the vacume cleaner nozzle to see what I mean.

[Farabomb]

Hmmm... Where does it go? In the inlet tube before the turbo?

I have a recircuating BOV that dumps the IC charge into the inlet right before the turbo. I'd think if anyting the added pressure would help keep it spooled. I'm just guessing thou. I'm still working through the turbo motor theory and I have a fair amount to learn.

Most WRC turbo cars use some sort of anti-lag. They have restrictors to induce lag but the tuners have worked around that. Any way to keep the impeller spinning. :D

[unacceptable_risk]

Yeah, the first time it was explained to me, I did a doubletake, thinking that the vacume would labour the impellor. However the lads have a good point, low or no air pressure means stuff all resistance on the blades. If I had a turbo fitted, I would try it for myself. but still running nacho.

Yep, it went straight onto the turbo inlet. I have wracked my brains to remember more about the butterfly timing and if it is supposed to close completely or almost.

I believe the blow off valve dumps to the airbox simply to quieten its use. try taking the hose off the blowoff, or dumping the charge out low but free to air. You too can have that loud posey pit chiw! on every gear change. hehehe :P

Another cheap easy mod is the sequential blow off valves. install one pre IC because it takes some pressure to force the charge thru the IC to be dumped.

[Flybye]

I should let you guys have fun figuring out my stock sequential system consisting of over 60 vacum lines ;) :D

[unacceptable_risk]

I've been interested in sequential systems since lancia's super/turbo Delta integrale. Yes the rx7 unit is extravagant. There is a similar piece of subaru equipment out there too.

I'm a little surprised your still running that flybye. I guess I've never tried to have a drivable rotary, lol, just wheres the fun in that :P If I had your car, I would have put a PP in it by now. keep the turbo unit as a spare till the PP explodes.:D

[Farabomb]

Running a atmosheric BOV makes the car run worse. It ends up running pig ritch and causes driviablity issues. The BOV dumps about 1 inch from the turbo's inlet and with my inlet tube you can still hear the pssht. There are a lot of options out there for the subaru BOV wise but I like to stick to STi parts. The factory has put a lot of time and money in finding what works best.

I don't know if I'd like a butterfly in my inlet. I would think there's too much restriction and I'd wonder what it would do ECU wise. The MAF may not like the reversion of pressure and go TU quicker than normal.

[unacceptable_risk]

Ahh yes, the fancy subaru computer. yeah, I have no idea how it would handle such mods. When I get the rest of my cosworth gear together, I'll let you know how the mod goes. I am negotiating with a guy to buy a very nice motec ecu. that should do the trick.

Happy subying.:cool3:

[Flybye]

Originally posted by unacceptable_risk
.....I'm a little surprised your still running that flybye....
It's a :mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2: to diagnose when something goes wrong, but when running perfectly, it's great :D

I autocrossed the FD a lot, so instant boost is kinda nice :)

I've never heard of a BOV acting as an anti-lag device. I mean think about it, boost isn't anywhere near flowing as fast or have pressures as much as the exhaust does.

It might make sense if you have a ball bearing turbo. Those things are insane. I've heard of people just blowing on the turbines with their mouth and the turbine begins to spin.

[unacceptable_risk]

well the point of the BOV in the first place is to remove pressure from the inlet side of your engine. If you didnt get rid of the boost when the throttle slaps shut, the pressure in the pipes would bring the turbo to a near stall.

All early porsche turbo setups were like this. You would lift off for a corner, upon reapplication of the throttle you would recieve nearly 30 psi boost for a moment, then it would bog right down as the near stationary turbo respools. Trust me, I have run plenty of turbo sans BOV, its an experiance lol. Carby turbo setups in general were a ball.

so adding another BOV, pre IC is quite common nowdays. maybe not on subys tho. For what its worth I can appreciate the instant boost thing, I am a fan of smaller turbo's for that reason.

[Flybye]

Originally posted by unacceptable_risk
...... For what its worth I can appreciate the instant boost thing, I am a fan of smaller turbo's for that reason.
Me too.

I rode in a 700hp RX-7 with a T-88.
This is how it felt:
3krpm...vroooooooooooooom...4krpm...vroooooooooooo ooooom...
5krpm...vroooooooooooo...BAM!!

Suddenly you have this HUGE power boost. Sure, it's great on a drag strip, but not while going around a corner!

[Farabomb]

I have a customer running a custom garret 3/4 BIG azz turbo. It makes crazy amounts of power but it's no fun to drive. Boost comes on late, full boost about 45K and then the needle snaps right to redline and you have to shift. I'm sure it's a beast on the 1/4 mi but I'd end up puting 4 off in every turn on the track.

I don't think the BOV acts as anti-lag at all I just think it throws the charge back into the mix for emissions reasons.

[Flybye]

Originally posted by Farabomb
I have a customer.....
So I take it AZP Installs is yours?

[Farabomb]

That it is. Me and one of my friends own and run it.

[Flybye]

Originally posted by Farabomb
That it is. Me and one of my friends own and run it.
Jeez you don't even have your addy on the web site :P

Where's the shop at?

[Farabomb]

There's a reason. We're near stolen subaru central so we keep the directions link off the page. We're in Kenilworth NJ www.azpinstalls.com/directions

Don't need anyone poking around when we're not here.... not like I leave often. :D

[speculative]

Originally posted by Flybye
Suddenly you have this HUGE power boost. Sure, it's great on a drag strip, but not while going around a corner!

If you have a turbo, and you are racing, why would you ever be out of boost? ;)

-spec

[unacceptable_risk]

On a racetrack, that can be done....If you have time to get the Gear ratios and diff spot on for that venue. My last rotary was a Monster Jported 13b. no turbo just a radical/crazy inlet port design.

It was much the same, couldnt even let the clutch out before 4500Rpm, was useless in traffic, and driven normally, It sounded like it was nearly dead, or dying.

When pressed for comment, it brought spine chilling 11500rpm gearchanges and a scream that I will not try to describe. On a racetrack, this thing was nasty...ded set nasty. with racing rubber on board and the right ratios, it was born for the track.

But my very long winded point is that it just trashes cars to drive them like that. And you learn more as a driver squeezing what you can out of a milder setup, than hanging on to a wilder one.

[Farabomb]

Left foot braking. :D Keep the revs up and the turbo spooled and use your left foot to slow the car a little. Takes practice and a fair ammount of balls but it's worth it.

I've had turbos go off boost on the track often. Sometimes you just can't keep it spooled. Even more so in auto-x. That's why the drag racers like the lag-o-matic big azz top end turbos and the auto-xers use smaller quick spooling turbos.

You want interesting? Wet highway, Kuhmo MX summer tires, 90deg turn from a stop and an early boost spike. Quite an exiting experience. ;)

[dfrancis]

Kenilworth,Rahway and Linden, hell of a place to put a Skooby shop Alex!:rolleyes:
It aint just Subarus that walkies from around there, friend of mine parked his car in a secured car park at Merck, sons of :mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2:es broke into the car, started it, then went into the security gate house to get the code so as to be able to get out,lol