Stop Tcpa.sign the partition

[Yukyo]

Some may heard.others may have not but microsoft wants to put some Tcpa chip on computers to control how long we use our comps,what we save Basically control the use of peoples comps which is wrong alright
Sign the partition for our privacy rights by click on the left menu "users against Tcpa" and at the bottom list "get me onto the list"

http://www.againsttcpa.com/index.shtml

Stop microsoft and there quest for evil

[Kill-Switch]

LOL this sounds way too much like a hoax to me.

Up until this moment I haven't ever heard any mention of it and I'm sure such a technology that would take away every human right given to us would be all over the media in a split second.

Either this is a hoax of someone conspiracy theorist has taken some kind of parental control chip for computers and blown it all out of proportion.

[WackyComputer]

I didn't read it, but I heard about it before.

Here's a reliable link: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/06/microsoft_managed_code_rethink/

[Kill-Switch]

Yeah so that says basically what I was trying to get at. This TCPA is there to attempt to stop piracy and add more security to the PC ... it's not bing created so the big M can turn your computer off if you play too much UT2k4 or to make your computer reportback what you're doing so the government can tell when you're looking at pr0n or doing work.


In all reality it WILL be made, no amount of whining and crying is going to stop that. IIRC there was a huge uproar about DRM, and that went ahead (although people have found ways around it). The same will happen for ANY protection, it will work for about a week before someone has a work around. Chances are it'll be like the PS2 and XBox where you'll have to solder a chip to the motherboard (or something like that) to circumvent the hardware protection. As for the software side, well it'll be cracked before it even hits the stores :)

[Player0]

I would never be confident that something like this would go in to effect. It's implications on the worldwide scale would be enormous. Even if the majority of western countries adopted this type of plan, most eastern countries wont/cant enforce it. In fact, it would levy a huge penalty on the growth of IT in our countries. I wouldn't accept that the US govt would do anything to quelch the growth of IT at this point, and has historically kept it's nose out of the internet.

The other problem is that it's just not enforcable. Hardware will be hacked, bootlegging will rise in popularity, and pirates will be UNAFFECTED. It will only cripple legitimate businesses and organizations. You'll have the bootleggers in China laughing their heads off.

Heck, I'm not even sure its DETECTABLE. Obviously to inform the TCPA, the computer must be internet connected, and even then, well a few clever router tricks or packet sniffing could prevent all misuse information from going anywhere.

The real question here is, just what problem is this thing addressing? It seems particularly vague (like DMCA) and doesn't seem to resolve any issues. The DMCA serves as a way to enforce the law and to effect punishment. We have that so the TCPA would be redundant in that aspect. Its more of a way to help 'catch people in the act'.

Kind of off topic, but it's just really surprising that there are so many people in the industry and government with tunnel vision in regard to pirating. Yes, it has been labled 'wrong' to not pay for Windows, Photoshop, Music, etc. But I look at my own usage, and see a startling pattern.

I used to buy CDs of the bands that I used to download MP3s of because i liked the higher quality and convenience.

I now work in webdesign and IT because I am self taught on Windows, Photoshop, whatever. I was always very poor, and could never have learned all these skills through legitimate means.

I now have a job with these skills, and constantly buy hardware and software, games, and DVDs (I still boycott CDs). This boosts the economy, strengthens our country, and gives money back to the industry.

The money we all have is finite. If I'm purchasing software, that means I am spending less money somewhere else, on clothing, or DVDs, or food, or whatever.

If I am pirating certain things, my money is still going in to the economy somewhere else. This isn't like stealing a TV where something tangible is lost.

I am not trying to justify my life. But I think there is a bigger picture here in terms of piracy, and that its, its not as bad as these visionless idiots make it out to be.

How many less copies of Photoshop would sell if people didnt learn this at home, go in to work, and ask their boss to buy photoshop? If we were all stuck with say Paint Shop Pro, then thats what businesses would be using, because businesses rely on the skills of the workers.

You can't cut off someones hand for stealing and then expect them to be as productive in the community. You simply cant change one aspect of society like this without having other consequences. It's tunnel visioned.

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[dicki]

thats a very interesting point, i never though of it like that...

i guess this is why many companies say thier software is free for personal use and only charge when you start making money from it? sounds like a pretty fair idea...

dicki

[Player0]

I really dont know the answer Dicki, I can only complain about the current situation.

It seems to me in life that too many people are fighting too many unwinnable battles. We made alcohol illegal in this country, and people still drank, and an underground developed, and we gave up on that idea. Of course, we still make a lot of other drugs illegal, and have the exact same problems. You cant stop people from using drugs.

You certainly wont stop them from killing, or pirating, or copying mp3s, or hacking computer security. Think of all the video games with all these extra codes and you can only run the game with the CD, etc. What purpose does it serve? The games are still hacked, and quite easily I might add. But if I want to play a round of Tiger Woods 2004 while listening to a CD on my computer, I cant do it! We have these nitwits willing to make 90% of the people suffer for 10% of the problem.

Piracy is a problem that is not going to go away, and should be accepted as a standard business expense. Yes, you take SOME measures to prevent it. But you dont make it the primary goal of your business. Wasting extra money on a protection system that ultimately won't stop the problem is idealistic and unrealistic.

In the end, its me who suffers. You know I actually buy my video games now? I dont use warez versions anymore, even though I am perfectly capable of doing so. but I kind of like collecting them, and supporting one of the few industries I still respect. But the hassle of running some of these programs with their protection schemes is making me want to go back to warez. Having to loose my cd-rom drive just to play a game which runs from my PC is silly, and worse yet is when it bugs out and asks me to put a cd in which is already in there :P

[Yukyo]

that is pretty true player.Personally i dont know if this whole Tcp stuff is real or is a hoax like how killswitch said but it did get me thinking when he said if it was somthing like that it'l be on the news or worldwide.

But hey if i guess you wanna play a music cd and go for a round in tiger woods theres always the ol use a second cd rom drive but i guess there are times when not all of us has a second spare cdrom lying around or a cd player or somthing.But i'd use Daemon tools lol

[Player0]

I have the drives, I dont have the spare drive bays :)

[Gregorach]

TCPA is not a hoax. However, whether it's a genuinely well-intentioned attempt to control the spread of malware and spam, or whether it's part of the lizard people's secret plan to take over the world with black helicopters I couldn't really say... Probably a little of both.

Read about it from the horses mouth: http://www.trustedcomputing.org/

And the antis: http://www.againsttcpa.com/

Then draw your own conclusions. :)