whats best for colling?

[HunterKiller]

^^^^^

[Denovin]

just listen to Outkast, they will tell you whats up.
"Whats cooler then cool?!"
"ICE COLD"

So.. move to the north pole, water cool with a big rad, find a nice hill with strong winds and dry cold air, sit your box, no side shields outside your igloo and go to town on the oc'ing (c:

Prolly need to use alcohol as coolent would even freeze up there.. then it would work great as long as you had a pump that could push it through faster then the processor could heat the alcohol warm enough to evaporate (or you use a pressurised alcohol system where it cant.. yes... the perfect cooling system.. SPACE!!

[Denovin]

but then again space isnt such a good idea, as there isnt any pressure to push fans to cool.. though it would be cold.. hrm.... I like the N pole idea better

[HunterKiller]

real answers please.

[Drake]

Be more specific, please ;)

We can't give you fair answers unless we know what you mean by cooling. Water? TEC? Phase-change? Air? What are we working with?

:D:DWELCOME:D:D to Liquid Ninjas, HunterKiller :)

[Kill-Switch]

Like Drake said, be more specific ... we have no idea what area you're looking at for cooling. If you ask such a vague question then expext some real stupid answers like Denovin posted :)

Unless you are specific we can't even begin to give a serious answer. I'd say go for LN (Liquid Nitrogen) cooling, it gives the lowest temps and allows for the best overclocks ... but your equipment will be damaged beyond repair after an hour.

[Drake]

Not to mention nitrogen is heavier than air and will saturate your environment unless it's well ventilated.

[dicki]

but it does look extremly cool when its running up the walls :D

[HunterKiller]

what types are there.

Out of those types which are the safest and best for OCing:)

[Kill-Switch]

Originally posted by HunterKiller
what types are there.

Out of those types which are the safest and best for OCing:)

Not trying to sound like an :mad2::mad2::mad2: but BE MORE SPECIFIC!!! You are being way too vague here. Here's what I can tell you:

There are a many types of cooling out there, here are the 4 main types:

1) - Air Cooling, just using fans (obviously) too cool the system, it's not extreme but will cool a system adequately for a beginner such as yourself. It is the safest method around as there is very little you can screw up. The downside is it's the worst method if you want to overclock.

2) - Watercooling, obviously this uses water to cool your system. it can be a complex system to set up and cost a few hundred $$. It cools way better than air but there are hazards that go along with it. They don't say water and electricity don't mix for nothing you know. If set up wrong you'll find yourself frying your components in the blink of an eye. Even when set up properly you need to maintain the system and be warey of something going wrong ... because it can.

3) - TEC Cooling, similar to watercooling (and more expensive) but uses TEC blocks instead of waterblocks. It's even more difficult to set up and requires a seperate/special powersupply for the TEC system. The hazards presented with this method are greater than watercooling as you have to worry about condensation and protecting your components from it. This is for advanced users only, so I'd advice you to stay well clear of it LOL

4) - Phase Change Cooling. This is what I use and involves using a unit like a Vapochill or an nVentive Prometia. This is the best (sane) method of cooling (and most expensive of the 4), it can be awkward to setup and as with TEC cooling you need to protect components from condensation. Personally I found this method easier to get to grips with than a TEC system. This method, again, has it's own potential problem areas such as condensation, the need for a stable power flow and very careful mounting of the evaporator head that sits on the CPU.

Obviously, as I mentioned earilier, you can try LN cooling, but it isn't a viable solution and is generally only used by crazy people trying to hit the highest benchmarks ... this will kill most hardware within hours and is very dangerous to carry out so no mediocur users is going to even consider it.


Well that's the end of todays lesson, my descriptions are brief and don't cover everything but hopefully give you an insight into what options there are for cooling your system. Judging by your posts, and your inablility to respond to a simple question with a proper answer, I would suggest you stick to your standard air cooling.

Now that I've given you a full and proper response it's time for you to do the same. What are the system specifications that you intend to cool?

[Player0]

Just to touch upon what KS said:

1) - Air Cooling, just using fans (obviously) too cool the system, it's not extreme but will cool a system adequately for a beginner such as yourself. It is the safest method around as there is very little you can screw up. The downside is it's the worst method if you want to overclock.

You can get serious gains with air cooling however. You can even find air cooled TEC blocks if you look hard enough. The problem with air cooling is that it can be loud. But with some clever fan and heatsink choices, a fan controller and some sound proofing, you can make a powerful fan system quiet enough. I have some air cooled boxes performing with GREAT overclocks, only a couple hundred MHz off most tec/phase systems. You can do very well on air.

2) - Watercooling, obviously this uses water to cool your system. it can be a complex system to set up and cost a few hundred $$. It cools way better than air but there are hazards that go along with it. They don't say water and electricity don't mix for nothing you know. If set up wrong you'll find yourself frying your components in the blink of an eye. Even when set up properly you need to maintain the system and be warey of something going wrong ... because it can.

With that said, the biggest worry is really corrosion. Ive gotten computer parts wet quite often, and they all come back to life, as long as you DRY them if something goes wrong. Water cooling is really quite safe if you take your time, not something you should be scared of.

3) - TEC Cooling, similar to watercooling (and more expensive) but uses TEC blocks instead of waterblocks. It's even more difficult to set up and requires a seperate/special powersupply for the TEC system. The hazards presented with this method are greater than watercooling as you have to worry about condensation and protecting your components from it. This is for advanced users only, so I'd advice you to stay well clear of it LOL

You dont actually requre a special second powersupply to run a TEC, but this is an advanced topic and not for beginners.

4) - Phase Change Cooling. This is what I use and involves using a unit like a Vapochill or an nVentive Prometia. This is the best (sane) method of cooling (and most expensive of the 4), it can be awkward to setup and as with TEC cooling you need to protect components from condensation. Personally I found this method easier to get to grips with than a TEC system. This method, again, has it's own potential problem areas such as condensation, the need for a stable power flow and very careful mounting of the evaporator head that sits on the CPU.

This is the best coolign system for extreme overclocking, but the cost is the biggest downfall.

[HunterKiller]

Who makes the best equiptment for air cooling? :)

Who makes the best equiptment for phase change cooling?:)

[Kill-Switch]

Ok that's it ... sorry but I'm going leave this to someone else as I'm tired of asking questions and getting no replies. Not to mention the damn vague questions being asked without a simple explanation of what the guy wants, what system he intends to cool with it or anything like that. He!l the only thing he comes out with is brief questions.

I tried to help but until you (HunterKiller) offer us information ... WE NEED INFORMATION!! we can't help you as good and efficiently as we could. Do you understand this?

Sorry but if I can't get the guys system specification from him then I'm left with the conclusion that he doesn't know a thing and would be best advised to leave his system alone.

[HunterKiller]

AMD Athlon 64 FX-51

Asus SK8V VIA K8T800

Kingston HyperX 1GB Kit DDR400

Asus Radeon 9800 XT 256MB

Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10K RAID 0

LiteOn 16X DVD

Plextor 4X DVD+RW

Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum 7.1

Creative MegaWorks 550 5.1

Microsoft Wireless Optical Desktop Pro 2.0

NEC 19" CRT

Cooler Master Wave Master TAC-T01-E1C

[notoriousformula]

Originally posted by HunterKiller
AMD Athlon 64 FX-51

Asus SK8V VIA K8T800

Kingston HyperX 1GB Kit DDR400

Asus Radeon 9800 XT 256MB

Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10K RAID 0

LiteOn 16X DVD

Plextor 4X DVD+RW

Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum 7.1

Creative MegaWorks 550 5.1

Microsoft Wireless Optical Desktop Pro 2.0

NEC 19" CRT

Cooler Master Wave Master TAC-T01-E1C

I think Stock heatsink Fan is the best solution for you ;) ..

PS: read the included instructions first!

[dicki]

do you know anything at all about computers or cooling? overclocking is a potentially dangerous sport which can and will damage your machine if you don't know what your doing.

no offense but your posts so far give me the impression you have no idea what your talking about and your not really giving us the information we need to help you!

specifics of what we need are

1: what is your aim these can include, quietness, coolness, looks, price and any combination of the above. you must remember that if you say "i want the best cooling with the best looks and i don't want to pay for" we will laugh at you because these things are obviously mutually exclusive

2: how much can you spend?

from that we'll tell you what you need.

best air cooling and best phase change??? you know there is a £600 difference in price between those 2 systems? theres no way you can compare them.

dicki

[Jokester]

overclocking only damages components when You dont have enough cooling or proper cooling for what your trying to achive.

But overclocking does wear down components overtime because your running them with more volts than it was created for. but most people like myself never have the stuff long enough to notice its shortened life time.

Im running a 2500+ M @ 2.6ghz which is not bad. but im trying to get 2.7 than again i am on air (SP-97, Torrnado) Ive been overclocking for a long time and never have destroyed anything as of yet :) o wait i did wreck some ram but that was OCZ what do you expect :P

Overclocking is really fun to do i think of it as a allmost of a game, but it does take proper cooling to do it.