I hate the situation I'm in today :(

[spldart]

Cliff notes:
Got bit by neighbors dog, now neighbor is in trouble.

Long story.

I live in a quiet neighborhood in a small town outside Houston. A 1 mile radius around me is houses in the 100,000-400,000 range. Next door to me on my left is a 40 something divorcee with her two children and 3 dogs. She has a problem where she doesn't dicipline her dogs or her kids and they run roughshot all over her.
I was mowing my yard today and her dogs gotten out of her backyard for the umpteenth time. (they dig out constantly) and two of them are terrorizing the neighborhood. They started with me circling barking and growling and finally one bit my ankle. They were obviously testing what they could get away with and the bite was the culmination of that incident so far. Bite was through the denim of my Levis and only scratched the skin underneath. I got pissed and charged the dogs and they ran two houses away....Where they proceed to scare an old lady who sits on her porch swing all day every day into her house. I go inside tell the wife what happened and cleanup then go back out and sweep my clippings. Wife apparently freaked even though she saw I wasn't really hurt badly. She was already worried about our kids not liking to play in the front yard and called animal control. (this is the first time we have called authorities about the dogs but other neighbors have) Anywho, I try to calm the wife down. I didn't want to make this big a deal about this. I have to live next to this women and would prefer things stay civil but it hit the fan anyway. I was on the porch swing smoking my pipe and PD shows up asking a bunch of questions (dogs still running around) then they go talk to several neighbors some of which got harrassed by the dogs while we were talking. Later the neighbor chic shows up and PD talks with her. She denies there is any real problem and comes up to my porch apologizing and talking about how the dogs have only gotten out once before :rolleyes: (I think the cop knew at that point she had lied after having talked to 3 or 4 neighbors) Then animal control shows up and talks to me....And tell me they have personally collected her dogs before and one of them has to testify in court against her Monday :eek:
Now my neighbor has her dogs in the pound again (she just got them out a couple months ago at great expense) And she was ticketed for the incident.
I'm not pressing charges and only filled an incident report with the PD (cuz they were there and practically insisted)

Now I have a neighbor pissed at me even though I didn't do anything wrong and I hate being at odds with people :(

I hate this :(

[spldart]

edit to add:

(Oh...And the dogs came at the cop who retreated to thier cruiser. Later They said "I didn't want to have to shoot the dog so I just got back in the cruiser to wait for animal control to handle this.)

[KODE]

Hi m8,

Sorry to hear about that, but no question you did the right thing m8, neighbors can be a pain the arse sometimes. I'm a little bit like you and I hate those kind of situations, but some people are just what they are (no need to mention what) we cannot change the way they think and their opinion about us, you just don't have to bother with that :)

Hope you get it sorted.

Regards, KODE.

[wfarid]

Yea you didn't do anything wrong... It's not your fault that the dog bit you. And its not your fault that your neighbor keeps dangerous dogs that she can't control... You did the right thing... And the women will get over it eventually...

[spldart]

I don't know...She's a bit of a redneck bish. She might be grudging me for quite a while...Unless there is another incident even more severe :dunno:

[spldart]

Now that I think of it. She has fueded with one neighbor down the street. (A UNION electrician) Who ended up getting a lawyer to put her in her place and another neighbor right behind her. Her dogs had attacked their dogs.
Hrm...3 strikes...She needs to go to jail for the rest of her life :D

[Player0]

Some situations you just cant win I guess.

I can sell you a nifty paintball gun though for the next time. If she wont train the dogs, you certainly can :)

[spldart]

LOL! How much is a paintball gun?

[nitan]

thats a real pain...

as for paintball guns:

http://www.shorepaintballsupplies.com/

Check that place out....there are plenty of other sites too...

Boy a paintball to the butt would make those dogs thing twice before they harrass anyone again

[Player0]

The ones I sell are on SOGear.com, but we sell realistic looking ones :)

[spldart]

HOLY ISH!!!
For those prices I can buy the real thing and load it with snake shot :eek: I'll get about the same effect. Or just stick with the pellet gun idea :P

[Synthohol]

stand your ground:)
you did nothing wrong...she is. after the first complaint, she should have put the dogs on a runner, plain and simple.
as for the dogbite, sue for 10,000 for pain and suffering, most judges will go 1000. for your injury i'm sure.
noone has to live like that:(

[dicki]

i'm pretty sure that if a dog bites you in the uk (unless its owned by royalty) they get put down so i reackon shes been pretty lucky so far :)

either that or next time one comes near you growl and smack it on the nose, they really don't like that :)

dicki

[spldart]

They never let me get that close. They'll come up and bark and growl but if i step toward them they bolt then re-approach. Those two work together well. They made a circle at about 4 feet barking and growling then one goes in for a quick bite behind yah.

[spldart]

But I freely admit I have no qualms about breaking a dogs back if it bit me and I got a chance to return a blow. :mad:

[Burnt Offering]

Dude,
In Alaska We got this saying. It's called the S's. Shoot, Shovel and Shut up!!

[spldart]

I forgot to update. That B.... woman got her dog back the next day :mad:

[Burnt Offering]

Start a trapline dude!

[Jokester]

well heres what i do with dogs that come into are yard...

I get out my good ol 30/6 and shot the dam dog than you practice the 3 sss's

Shot
Shovel
and
Shut up

[speculative]

Originally posted by Burnt Offering
Dude,
In Alaska We got this saying. It's called the S's. Shoot, Shovel and Shut up!!

We have that saying too in Montana. :) Sorry to hear about the trouble spldart!

-spec

[Burnt Offering]

Hey Spec,
That's funny dude!! I lived in Montana almost all my life. Billings to be exact. I know they are throwing the three S's around a lot because of the wolves they reintroduced several years ago. Anyway, moved to Alaska in 99 And I love it here.

[speculative]

Yeah, in fact the reason the wolves haven't been de-listed yet is because Wyoming's "official" plan for management is the 3 S's! :D MT, WY, and ID's plans all have to be approved before the Feds will delist the wolves. A classmate of mine is doing his thesis on this subject. He's been researching it for about 4 years now.

-spec

[Burnt Offering]

Well up here they fianlly got it approved to shoot them from the airplane in certain areas of the state. Now, I don't want to wipe out the wolf species. But I'm teling ya, they are wiping out the moose in certain parts of the state. Mark my words the Elk in Montana will suffer the same fate as our moose if their populations aren't controled. In Montana, I think what they shoukld do is have a season on wolves, just like everything else.

[Synthohol]

chinese hot mustard, water and a water pistol.
get 'em in the face. its humane and makes a point ;)
blind dogs do not attack well!

[Denovin]

so basicly you are killing them without directly killing them..... how humane to allow them to suffer

[Burnt Offering]

Good grief man, it's some hot sauce in a water pistol for crying out loud. The stupid dog will squint and maybe yelp for 5 minutes. He'll live. And Maybe learn a lesson. This is worse than shooting him? Either way is just fine with me.

[Synthohol]

Originally posted by Denovin
how humane to allow them to suffer if an improperly maintained animal bites me with obvious intent ON MY PROPERTY, it would be lucky to eat liquid food when i am done.
no i am not an evil b@stard, i was bit a few times as a kid and was terrorized enough to hate undomesticated pets regardless of species.
once in a while my cat will put his teeth on me but wont clench down, this i dont mind because we have an understanding.
biting to hurt is intolorable in my book and i would do WHATEVER is nessesary to prevent it from happening again PERIOD! I refuse to live in fear of anything other than my wife.
so i am sorry if i offend but pain and fear make you do things you wouldnt otherwise.

[spldart]

Humane?!?!?!
The dog is lucky it's still alive after the multiple attacks it has committed :mad: And I'm talking killed in a very ugly horrible way too!

I still can't get over the fact that bish has her dog back after it came after a cop AND has the history it does :eek:

[spldart]

And they wonder why children and sometimes adults get mauled to death by these death machines.

[/overly dramatic]

[Synthohol]

ok, i wasn't going to go here but here goes...
hornet and wasp killer sprays go up to 15-20 feet stream.
you wouldnt need to get close to use it.
i'm not *saying* use it on the dogs........[whistling nonchalantly]

[Burnt Offering]

LOL Some frozen paintballs ougth to do the trick too!! Right in the chops!!

[Kabooka]

Just change out the antifreeze in your watercooled pc and leave a dish of the undilluted stuff where they can get to it..

Ummm sorry Miss ... forgot I left that out there. hehehhehhehe

[Drake]

That's just mean :P

Did y'all ever get those freaks who would leave out plates of honey-covered rat poison for cats in the neighborhood?

[Burnt Offering]

Got this one from a seedy old rancher in Montana. Stick a gunny sack in the hubcap of your car. Make sure it's on the side that he likes to chase. Drive by the dogs house at just the right speed, and when he comes out to chase you he grabs the gunny sack and before he can let go SNAP!! Breaks his neck like an old pine twig!!

[spldart]

:eek: Clever use of a gunny sack :eek:

[Denovin]

sorry.. they way I understood it, was chinese hot mustard as something that could permanantly blind it. That isnt cool. I also didnt understand that the animal had or was about to attack you then you would do this. I saw it as yea, just shoot it in the face aka blind them all, so that we dont have to worry about them ever again.
Problem with this anyways is its a measure you have to be there for, and in most cases of animals biting humans, they arent carrying around anything to defend themselves with OR they are jack :mad2::mad2::mad2: kids that should get there asses kicked that threw things at the animals pissing them off enough and in my opinion deserved it.

[Synthohol]

the way i see it is that woman didnt domesticate her own children, much less her dogs so something has to give here, spldart can't/shouldn't have to train her kids so it is the dogs that pose a deeper threat to the general public.

[Denovin]

ok, another problem.. I thought this was a completly different post oops. So yea, thats one of the problems with our system, if you want something fixed thats wrong, you have to piss the people off. There is no way to anonomously complain, unless you are a minor (I believe...) So... if your kid would like to complain to the police, and file a complaint, ask down at the city hall, or police depertment, or call an attorney etc if you have one and see. That way you can have them arrested for what there dog did, that your children witnessed. Unless of coarse they didnt see the dogs rampaging across the area.
I dunno, it difenitly sucks
I live in a quad and my neighbors smoke right outside my bedroom window. It sucks.. i hate smoking, and I hate smoke, there is no ordinance against them doing this, so i cant do anything other then complain when they dont throw there cig butts away. )c: Im afraid to say anything cuz im almost positive they are drug dealers.

[spldart]

We should spray drug dealers in the eyes and blind them for life ;)

[spldart]

THOSE (%$^@#)$@)(*#%^@)#(&@)(%^@)%(!_*(@%)(@#^%)@!*(#$^@()#$^@# :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: Dogs are out again GDit!!!!!!
They have knocked over about every trash can there is on the block and tore the bags out and apart strewning trash everyfuggan where :mad:

[spldart]

Just one rifle shot......................:evil:

[Denovin]

take pictures? testify, if they do anything to you in ragards to this besides turning a cold shoulder, the cops will know who lies out there arse and you might even get to see THEM sprayed with mustard (c:

Good lesson to the kids that way to.. see kids dont lie, or you might get sprayed with mustard.

[Denovin]

If its legal to shoot in the city limits.. find the legalities of shooting animals on your property, if you can even shoot a gun in the city limits, you might just have to post a sign saying tresspassers wil be shot on sight etc. Then.. its free game. Hrm.. wonder what the legalities are if you clubbed one of the dogs that was out of sight on your property as well.. Of coarse clubbing a dog would be pretty brutal, but taking the precautions to say (say not do.. so they think you might) you are going to do so if/when it is legal may bring your neighbor to enlighten themselves on the matter.

[spldart]

It is not legal to shoot in the city limits here without serious reason. But it is legal to shoot animals or people if you so much as feel threatened and you are on your own property. Outside or in. You can also shoot someone on your property who is trying to take it. Such as your car.
I could have shot that dog the other day if I had my gun on me cuz I was on my grass when it happened.

We have a convicted and released child molester who moved onto our street last year or so. The cops came through and told all of us about it and said if we feel threatened (in ANY way) that we can shoot him (while he is on our property).
Ex cons have to step carefully here. The court will just assume the ex con is at fault and find for the person claming defense in most all cases.
My wife made it clear to that dude that he better not step on our property...He always gets off the sidewalk and walks past on the street at our house and a couple others when he walks his dog :D

[Synthohol]

hey wait.... just get a BIGGER dog:) problem solved;)

[spldart]

LOL

[Denovin]

yup, its like they say in the prison movies.. find the biggest baddast mofo and beat him down. After that, no one messes with you.
As for a bigger dog, that never works, if you want the dog mean enough to tear the other dogs apart instead of humping them, you gotta be mean to them, and thats not cool. It also looks bad for your kids and puts them at risk.

[Player0]

find the biggest baddast mofo and beat him down. After that, no one messes with you.

Until some new guy comes looking for the NEW biggest baddest mofo.

I'd rather pretend I had the flu or aids or something ;) No one wants to touch you if your sick.

[ralf_c]

damn, those dogs sound like some pissoffs :2guns:. pldart, have you though of installing vid cams so you can catch those pestering dogs doing their deeds?

[Kabooka]

Just "hide" some Easter Baskets this weekend.....


We've all heard it, "Don't give your dog chocolate it will kill him". We'll how true is it you're probably wondering. Do I have to rush him to an emergency vet if he ate one of my M&M's?

The truth is chocolate contains theobromine that is toxic to dogs in sufficient quantities. This is a xanthine compound in the same family of caffeine, and theophylline.

Toxic Levels

The good news is that it takes, on average, a fairly large amount of theobromine 100-150 mg/kg to cause a toxic reaction. Although there are variables to consider like the individual sensitivity, animal size and chocolate concentration.

On average,
Milk chocolate contains 44 mg of theobromine per oz.
Semisweet chocolate contains 150mg/oz.
Baker's chocolate 390mg/oz.

Using a dose of 100 mg/kg as the toxic dose it comes out roughly as:
1 ounce per 1 pound of body weight for Milk chocolate
1 ounce per 3 pounds of body weight for Semisweet chocolate
1 ounce per 9 pounds of body weight for Baker's chocolate.

So, for example, 2 oz. of Baker's chocolate can cause great risk to an 15 lb. dog. Yet, 2 oz. of Milk chocolate usually will only cause digestive problems.

Clinical Signs

Xanthines affect the nervous system, cardiovascular system and peripheral nerves. It has a diuretic effect as well. Clinical signs:

Hyper excitability
Hyper irritability
Increased heart rate
Restlessness
Increased urination
Muscle tremors
Vomiting
Diarrhea

Treatment

There is no specific antidote for this poisoning. And the half life of the toxin is 17.5 hours in dogs. Induce vomiting in the first 1-2 hours if the quantity is unknown. Administering activated charcoal may inhibit absorption of the toxin. An anticonvulsant might be indicated if neurological signs are present and needs to be controlled. Oxygen therapy, intravenous medications, and fluids might be needed to protect the heart.

Milk chocolate will often cause diarrhea 12-24 hours after ingestion. This should be treated symptomatically (fluids, etc..) to prevent dehydration.

If you suspect your pet has ingested chocolate contact your Vet immediately! They can help you determine the the proper treatment for your pet.

[Synthohol]

Originally posted by ralf_c
damn, those dogs sound like some pissoffs :2guns:. pldart, have you though of installing vid cams so you can catch those pestering dogs doing their deeds? now THATS a plan:)

Kabooka.....you scare me:eek: Im sure you posted that just for REFERENCE sake right?:confused: ;)

:D

[Kabooka]

Yep Yep... just a public service warning for all the families that have pets

Be carful with the chocolate this holiday season all !!

[spldart]

Funny. The animal control said we should take pics or vids of the dogs out cuz their response time is so slow they can't get here in time.
While they were here I asked them what would happen if one of the dogs attacked me or my kids and I shot it. They said I would be arrested for discharging a firearm in the city limits. A misdemeanor. They said I should take a peice of wood or stick and hit the dog with that if it's mauling me or my kids.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: that :mad: !

[Synthohol]

i got it, get a small kidde abc fire extinguisher with dry c2o, blindingly painfull at first but no long term ill affects. and they are legal. plus should you have a fire you are prepared :)
just a thought.

[ralf_c]

can't shoot the gun? all right then, make that stick the biggest heaviest oak bat you can get your hands on :2guns:

[Synthohol]

believe me i get a kick out of the brutal suggestions however you cant blame the scorpion for its sting much less the dogs for their natural instinct remember i said natural...its up to humans to domesticate and train these creatures to avoid their impulses.

i suggested the fire extinguisher for a couple reasons, 1 they have a 10' spray, 2 the dry carbon dioxide is not fatal 3 the powder will leave a trace where it is sprayed so if the neighbor calls the cops for temp blinding her dog, it will be clear on which side of the fence it was on at the time of the spraying proving beyond a doubt that she is irresponsible for her *pet*.

fwiw maybe she should get geese instead, they are territorial and will attack if feel threatened and make a hell of a racket if an intruder comes by.

Spldart, i wish you luck buddy, with all the regular (forgive the phrase) drama you have IRL and all the emotional load you survive with on a daily, your neighbors bullcrap is the last thing you need right now. this crap must stop so you can get back to your routine. i dont pity you but you have my sympathies all the same.

hang in there man, it will get better, i have faith in you, you've dealt with alot worse.

later:)

[spldart]

Thanks for the help....I'm thinking hard about that co2 extinquisher now...I only have chemical ones in the house and the car so a trip to wally world might be in order.

[spldart]

Oh...My bad...I just found out. They are half Lab half Pitbull :eek:
We have also found they have killed several pets in the neighborhood as well as biting the two humans.
We have a number of neighbors lined up and we are drawing our plans against them :evil:

[spldart]

My neighbor went to court again the other day, this time for the dog bite of me. Apparently she went through a reaming in the courtroom and had to fill out vicious dog papers and pay fines galore cuz she was PISSED. When I got home today she came up to me as i was getting out the car and verbally attacked me and made a number of threats right in front of all the neighbors. I just called her a :mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2: and walked in my house.

So... What poisons work really well on humans.... :O ;) :P

[dicki]

jeez some people don't learn do they...

[Synthohol]

call the cops if you have witnesses and charge her with terroristic threats, they will read her the riot act and get a restraining order.
i did that to my old mafia landlord and won the case easy.
he told me to find a new place to live or "you are going to get hurt, you know what i mean?" was the exact comment. for 3 years following he could not verbally communicate with me, it all had to be in writing. it was wonderful...i beat the mob!.
*looks around shoulder*

[spldart]

I talked to Sugar Land PD quite a while this morning. I'm already following some advice that should piss her off no end ;)

[tripodal]

Wow, what a thread.
coming to the end I began to remember she has children. Whom know how she is and see exactly how she is treated.
How ever you deal with her will definatly have an impact on her children as they have no other male influences (this is how i grew up i am guessing)

I think that a long range supersoaker, or garden hose would be more than adequate to deter the dogs. As soon as they enter the yard go for it, they will evantually learn (my girlfriends dog is terrified of garden hoses)

That or the BB gun is the best solution. I say
court is dumb. shooting a gun off in your neigherbood is no good either, what if you miss and hit something else.

[Denovin]

peanut butter sandwhichs LOADED with ULTRA HOT ATOMIC FIRE SAUCE! My step brother did this to our dog.. damn.. poor thing.. it ate em up.. and then like.. looked around and was at the water bowl for the next 15 minutes. Then procedded to beg for more.. that dog was stupid anyways...

[spldart]

Her children are part of the reason her dogs are so messed up. They abuse the dogs regularly. I'm stunned they don't bite her kids but so far they have only attacked the neighbors and neighbors pets. These dogs have also caused a few hundred dollars of damage to my property over the last couple of years as well. Super Soakers and garden hoses do nothing. The Police recommend the highest rated defense spray I can find. They also say it is perfectly legal to shoot the dogs on my property to defend myself and my family. They also gave me relivent munincipal codes and how to properly pursue them. I'll be recording my evidence and will later send her a certified letter. Then I will press charges personally. I'm also going to have her ordered restrained from my property.

[tripodal]

damn.
well sounds like her kids are the ones who need the pepper spray.

[Denovin]

Good luck!! Keep us updated!

[spldart]

Right click and save...No audio cuz It was shot with my little digi cam. My wife was at her pond trying to enjoy some peace and quiet and this is what happens.
It's the one that attacked me and the others.

http://67.10.210.195:91/crazedmuttdivx3.avi

Only 240Kb

[Synthohol]

thats not a dog, it is a wild animal.
follow the cops advice.
thats just wrong.....and kids *play* with that?

[spldart]

Her kids poke it with a stick and shoot it with their paintball gun n'stuff. Not exactly play.

I would appreciate some honest opinions on the video. (like Synth's) Pretend you're a jury of my peers in municipal court and you're deciding if that dog has been causing me grief with noise and damage. I know it's just one vid but I do have several and lots of pics too. Along with a bite incident and it's previous history and a cop being chased and their being declared vicious by the courts and and and..... ;)

[Synthohol]

def use the cop as a witness and try to get vid of kids abusing dog, the vid is kind of general as all dogs will try tu push themselves through a fence, i was pre-disposed to the dog being very undomesticated from this thread, a jury may not see it that way unless you "set the stage" properly.

[spldart]

Sorry guys...taking the server and lan offline for a while. Huge electrical storm. The link will work again in a little while when the storm passes...

[spldart]

Ok, back. Was a bad electrical storm :eek:

http://67.10.210.195:91/crazedmuttdivx3.avi

[tripodal]

thats the same thing my girlfriends boxer does when ever i try to leave.
I just grab his neck and wrestle him down... he seems to like it.

[tripodal]

any updates?

[spldart]

Thinking about taking the go smooth the @$%& out. :mad:

[tripodal]

DUDE
Sugar Land Police Department?
LMAO
if it wasnt texas i would have lost all respect then

Originally posted by spldart
I talked to Sugar Land PD quite a while this morning. I'm already following some advice that should piss her off no end ;)