buy new proccer!

[^CHILI^]

i dont know what to decide the p4 2.4C or the barton +2800?

[Synthohol]

do you have a motherboard that supports either?

[^CHILI^]

no...

[mdzcpa]

Go with a P4C 2.4 and an Abit IS7 combo. nuff said:)

[^CHILI^]

it's not will be better with the ic7 or the p4c800?

[mdzcpa]

Not really. The P4C800 and IC7 are indeed nice boards and will give you top performance. However, the premium paid is not worth it. Both Abit and Asus have released BIOSes which enabled PAT on their 865 chipset boards (the IS7 and P4P), bringing the performance right up to the level of the 875 chipset boards.

If you have money to burn, get the IC7-G. It is the best full featured 875 board in my opinion. Abit has also just released a new IC7 BIOS which puts it at the top of the performance heap against other 875 boards.

However, the IS7 (also the fastest 865 board now), can be had for 20% less cash and the performance is on par, if not better in some benches, as the IC7. So right now the IS7 is the smart buy.

I wouldn't get either of the Asus boards. The IC7/IS7 with the new BIOSes beat the P4C/P4P boards in performance and are less expensive.

The IS7 P4 2.4 combo is the hot choice right now.

[^CHILI^]

THNX!!:)

[^CHILI^]

btw
what memory's are u recommend me for big oc??

[Player0]

Agree with mike, IS7 and 2.4c for the best bang for buck.

BUT! With a 2.4C, you will NOT be going up much above 3500-3700mhz because of the locked multiplier.

If your goal is 4000mhz or better, you need to get a 2.6, 2.8, or 3.0. All the processors are the same overclocking wise, but the difference is the multipliers.

I have my 2.4c running 3500mhz, but it wont go any higher because my FSB is already at 292mhz. Some boards get up to 300-320mhz with some voltage mods, but...the 2.8 might be a better overclocking point, unless your budget is way tight.

[Player0]

RAM...

Ill recommend Corsair TwinX PC3500.

[^CHILI^]

with the IS7 i can go higher than 300 fsb?

[Player0]

Without mods? Not sure. Depends on the ram and CPU and cooling.

I wouldn't bet on it.

[Kona]

I recommend the GeIL Golden Dragon PC3200 or PC3500 Dual Channel DDR Series.

[mdzcpa]

I agree with P0, if you can swing the cash, a 2.6 might be a better P4 to get with the 13 multiplier. Be careful with the 2.8 or 3.0 though...those multipliers are too high to max out you FSB.

EG: P4C 3Ghz, multiplier 15, max clock around 4ghz with awesome cooling. 4000/15= 266 FSB

This is my problem...even TEC cooled, my P4 maxes at 4.1ghz so the max FSB I see is 272.

EG: P4C 2.8ghz, mulitplier 14, same max clock about 4ghz.
4000/14= 285 FSB Okay gettin there!

EG P4C 2.6ghz, multiplier 13, same max clock about 4ghz...maybe a bit less so..
3900/13= 300 ahhhhh...the sweet spot!


For memory I also like the Corsair XMS 3500. I tried OCZ, Kingston, and Geil, but the XMS did best for me.

[Player0]

Good point Mike, so is the 2.6 or the 2.8 the sweet spot?

The problem with FSBs over 285 is that I haven't seen many people running 5:4 timings up there. The difference between 5:4 and 3:2 IS big, and worth 500-600 Sandra mem marks, even if the ram frequency works out to be the same. Something about latency issues with 3:2.

Have you had much luck with the Game Accerlator modes? I can't get them to run at all if I overclock the FSB.

[mdzcpa]

Your not alone....no one get's those Acceleration modes to work when overclocking....even a little bit. On a side note, they make for some super performance at stock speeds. I'm building an Intel based gamer right now for someone, and those settings run stable and very fast at 200mhz:) I'm gonna use Street Racer though in the end. F1 seems to be stable, but I don't want a complaining client.

As far as the sweet spot for the P4, I think it's gonna come down to memory. Some guys are claiming the newest sticks can do 240 to 250 now. If that becomes the norm, Id like to go with the 2.6 and try for 300mhz using 5:4. Some folks are having trouble with this now, but i think it is more of a memory limitation than a chipset one. But it's hard to be sure at this point.

For the safest bet, the 2.8 would be a very good pick. It would keep your FSB under 290 and allow for chipset stability headroom while still maxxing your CPU. But, if you go this route, you may never know what the board can do as you will likely not get a 2.8 to run 4.2ghz (using a 300fsb).

Choices, choices, choices!

This Intel stuff has gotten fun again:D:D:D

[Player0]

Yeah, I had F1 working stabily as well.

BUT! The memory benchmarks aren't much different than in Street Racer mode. In fact, Street Racer might be a bit faster in Float scores, but Int scores are higher in F1.

Definitely fun, now if I can only get one for myself :)