My New PC..

[Datsin]

I have just put together my new PC.. and iam loving it!

Check it out!

Iam in love :)

Abit forever.



Athlon XP 2100+ (1733Mhz) Now running @ 2260Mhz FSB = 205
Abit Nf7-S (SATA)
512MB Ram KingMAX (runnging @ 410Mhz)
2 x 80GB Serial ATA 8Mb Cache Seagate in RAID (78MB/s xfer)
Leadfast Geforce 4 Ti 4200 8x (Running @ 4800 Speeds)
Volcano Copper HSF

6.1 Audio On board
LAN on Board
Firewire on Board


http://www.fxperience.com/sage/sweet.jpg
[3dMark2001 = 14022]

and the best thing about it is iam yet to find the limit! so there should be a bit more in it!
Ill report back soon :)

[Drake]

Very nice setup :thumbsup: :D

[Ruantic]

Very nice, Good Job!

[Slide]

I've been trying to decide whether I should go with a 1700+ or a 2100+. The price difference isn't very much, but it seems a lot of people are ocing the 1700 and 2100 to the same levels. What's your take on the 2100? the few extra bucks worth it?

[Ruantic]

Originally posted by Slide
I've been trying to decide whether I should go with a 1700+ or a 2100+. The price difference isn't very much, but it seems a lot of people are ocing the 1700 and 2100 to the same levels. What's your take on the 2100? the few extra bucks worth it?


First of all it is always the luck of the draw, you could get a chip that will only go 100mhz over spec, fortunately that is highly unlikely. I would say just grab a 1700+, the latest stepping use lower default voltage than the 2100+ and they seem to all get pretty decent results. If I had any choice in my purchase it would be a 310 WPMW, second choice 310 XPMW. IMO its NOT worth the extra $$$ for a 2100+....

Good luck to you, hope you get a good one no matter your choice.

[4.6POWER]

Sorry to always point out the alternative point of view... but chances are if you plan to overclock, the 2100 theoretically should have a better core to play with than the 1700. But yeah.... no doubt that 1700 will oc well.

[Drake]

AMD takes higher-rated CPUs and changes their default core speed to the CPUs that are more in demand, i.e. the 1700+ and 2100+ CPUs, so more likely than not they'll have the same cores.

[Ruantic]

Originally posted by 4.6POWER
Sorry to always point out the alternative point of view... but chances are if you plan to overclock, the 2100 theoretically should have a better core to play with than the 1700. But yeah.... no doubt that 1700 will oc well.

Theoretically your right, but in this case the lower voltage cores of the latest 1700+ are doing better chip for chip, and even the older cores. I bought a 2100+, and a 1700+ at the same time as my NF7-S, both are 0302, the processors perform almost identical, except where it takes 1.9 volts on my 2100+, my 1700+ is still at 1.7...... I think luck is still one of the biggest factors, fortunately AMD has seen fit to make it alot easier to get lucky...

[The Therion]

Ruantic : question

@ excaliber they have both a JIUHB:0310WPMW and a JIUHB:0310XPMW IF you get the BOXED edition only !

If you go tray they only give the JIUHB:0310XPMW

Now you said the 0310 WPMW is better, but also somewhere else, here, someone advised me to stay away from boxed editions of cpus

:( ???


which one should i get ?

[Ruantic]

May as well get what you can, 1700+ is no longer being made so your choices won't get any better, I don't believe that Boxed (retail) or OEM (Tray) make a bit of difference, It is not like they actually pick one off the line specifically for Retail, the only difference is warranty, packaging, and HSF, same stepping/week is same, no matter if its retail, or tray.....

[mdzcpa]

That was me who mentioned the Retail aspect. The only reason I prefer OEM is that they are usually cheaper. The retail HSF unit and warranty is not worth the premium IMOHO.

Other than that, it's as Runatic said. Get the best stepping for the price.

[Ruantic]

That was me who mentioned the Retail aspect. The only reason I prefer OEM is that they are usually cheaper. The retail HSF unit and warranty is not worth the premium IMOHO.


And I 100% agree with what mdzcpa said, The HSF is junk, I've never had to return a processor, and I do normally buy Tray. Only time I don't would be a case like this.

[The Therion]

I prefer tray as well.This is why i ask about the stepings.

IThe question transforms to : is the 0310WPMW 10 $ better than the 0310XPMW ?

[Ruantic]

IThe question transforms to : is the 0310WPMW 10 $ better than the 0310XPMW ?


I would pay the additional $10, either one will do well, but from the various posts I've seen about results, the WPMW seems to be a bit better.

[The Therion]

Thats good enough for me ! I'm ready to bet the extra 10 $ on your word ;)

I'm going to buy a heatsink anyway.Thanks

[JohnnyD]

Therion - I will 2nd the opinion about the factory heatsink being cheesy. Mine was a boxed and I did it for the warrenty ... the heat sink immediately became a paperweight .. its JUNK.

Runatic .. when did they discontinue the 1700 ??

[Ruantic]

Runatic .. when did they discontinue the 1700 ??

week 13 is supposed to be the last from what I've heard, supposedly 2100+ will be the slowest one they produce anymore..

[Ruantic]

Well according to the following I just found they are at least making the 1700+ to week 19..... may just have to try one of these!



AMD XP 1700+ 1.5V TBred B-Core DLT3C JIUHB
Thoroughbred-B cores are known for its stability and overclockability. we have limited quantities of batch JIUHB 0319 AMD XP 1700+ CPUs. Couple them with a Thermalright heatsink and a Vantec Tornado, who knows the possibilities. So what are you waiting for? Get them while they are in stock!
WE randomly tested two of these "0319" processors and both were stable at 2.4GHz at 1.79V. See website for details.

[JohnnyD]

WHoa !!! Umm what site did you C&P that quotation from ?

[Ruantic]

Originally posted by JohnnyD
WHoa !!! Umm what site did you C&P that quotation from ?


SVC (http://www.svc.com/)

[JohnnyD]

TY Ruantic - you're not on commission right ?

[Ruantic]

Originally posted by JohnnyD
TY Ruantic - you're not on commission right ?


LoL, actually SVC isn't my first choice to buy things from, they just happen to be the only place I've seen these so far..

[The Therion]

many thanks again Ruantic :)

[Ruantic]

Anytime:)

[The Therion]

One moment !

I thought the newer AMD cpus all were brown exept the bartons.

So how come in www.svc.com the 1700+ they offer is prety new batch 0319 but is green ? (not talking about the core here, just the rest of the chip)

@ excaliber they are selling the same chip but older batch 0310 and its brown just like most of the latest AMD cpus !

me is confused again :( :confused:

[JohnnyD]

Therion - don't sweat it ...the actual CORE is a slice of silicon .... and the color varies depending on where in the silicon the waifer came from, and the lighting when the picture was taken.

One day way back I surfed an article speculating on why some random chips OC better than others ... and the idea was it depended on what part of the silicon the waifer came from that the actual core was made out of. WHo knows ?

Personally .. I've had a few Athalons and seen many colors. Other guys will back that up.

PS .. When are you gnna buy one ?? Do the deed !!

[The Therion]

JohnnyD i was refering to the ceramic/plastic thingy around the core.Not the core itself.

I see green for that 0319 chip , brown for the 0310 chip ,brown for almost every other athlon xp , and a green,mustrurd like for the bartons.

[JohnnyD]

Hmmm ummm DUnno ?

Good deal on that color paint ?

[Farabomb]

The color of the organic packaging makes no difference. It think it differs with what FAB the chip came from but I'm not sure. Green, brown it doesn't matter. :)

[JohnnyD]

FAB ??

[Ruantic]

Actually of all the theories regarding the Athlons, and how to choose a good one, I have never seen a word on this part of the processor. I'm not sure what decides the color of the subtrate but I doubt it has any importance. FWIW, my 1700+ is green, my 2100+ is brown. I honestly think the only real factors in determining how well a processor OC's is later production is generally better as the refinement process continues. And how lucky you are.....

[Farabomb]

FAB: The factory, fabracator. I know they have one in Dresden Germany that a lot of Athlons come from. AMD has a few others but I don't remember where.

I think the color really depends on what they have in the FAB at the time.

[JohnnyD]

Ahh OK - sorry I thought of that after I posted ...

[The Therion]

Oh,ok, then its probably uninmoprtant.I'll stick to the codes , thanks :)