New user need suggestions :D

[starck]

Greetings,
I am a new user so if I'm syaing anything wrong pls forgive my ignorance.

I've been watercooling my computer for a while now, and now I'm thinking of building a brand new setup for my new computer, but I think I'll need some suggestions from you pros out there.

I'm thinking of buying these parts:

Eheim 1260 600GPH
Swifty MCW50-T for GPU w/ 172W DRIFT pelt from DD
Swifty MCW50-T for Northbridge w/ 80w pelt
OCPC Neptune "The Abyss" with 2X 120mm fans or
2 x BIX w/ 4 120mm Fans
1/2" tubing

I dont need the CPU block as I'll be using Prommy for it.

The question is, is the Eheim 1260 overkill for only 2 blocks? I'll be placing the whole thing outside of my case, prolly on the top, and I'm trying to get the water temp to 10C or below, or as low as possible without using any chillers, with room temp around 23C-28C during summer. Are those rads enough to do this with 2 pelts running?

Any suggestions or changes on my list? What kind of arrangement would be the best for this setup?

I would greatly apprecaite for any inputs, no :2guns: flames please :p

starck :D

[Drake]

Swifty MCW50-T for Northbridge w/ 80w peltI'm not sure whether or not the MCW50-T would work on a northbridge or not :confused: measure the holes on your graphics card and the holes on your northbridge to check. If not, Danger Den makes a non-TEC northbridge cooling solution you might be interested in. Besides, if I'm not mistaken the MCW50-T is made specifically for 9700s? If so, then the outer edges are not the same height as the middle of the base, so you may not get 100% contact with the northbridge.The question is, is the Eheim 1260 overkill for only 2 blocks?Yes, 600GPH is overkill for two blocks, but I don't think anything negative could come out of using it :rolleyes:I'm trying to get the water temp to 10C or below, or as low as possible without using any chillers, with room temp around 23C-28CThen you'll only be able to cool the water to 23C-28C. The water can only be as cold as the air being pushed through the radiator, and the hotter the water is, the less likely that will happen.Are those rads enough to do this with 2 pelts running?I'm fairly certain the two radiators would be enough, but I'm not familiar with The Abyss. Could you give us a link?Any suggestions or changes on my list? What kind of arrangement would be the best for this setup?An arrangement that is either easiest for you to do, or uses the least amount of tubing will yeild as good as results as any. Don't make it overly hard on yourself.

Tell me... what all are you putting in the system, hardware wise?

[starck]

Thanks for your reply Drake :)

I think the MCW50-T is compatible with pretty much most of the video cards out there, including Geforces and Radeons, but the block itself can only hold a 40mmx40mm pelt, so I'm thinking to buy the 172w one from dangerden. I'm not sure if I could put the MCW50-T on my NB, but since I've been doing quite a bit modding, I think that wont be a problem.
Hmm, so the only way to lower the water temp is to use water chiller? I thought it's possible by hooking up more rads? darn.

Hardware wise, Ill be running a 2700+ with 8rda+ and 2x xms3500c2 512mb. Ive got all the hardware already, and I'm currently running it with my crappy Koolance.

Until Ive decided what kind of water setup, I'll be ordering everything together with the Prometeia. Well, ya know Im expecting some rock'n roll performance especially with the prommy, so I'm trying to setup a killer water cooling+ pelts with my other components. What else would you suggest if I'm to spend around $300-$350 for just the water part? I already have PSUs to push the pelts.

Thanks for your time!! :D

starck :)

[starck]

sorry forgot the link to the Abyss, http://www.overclockedpc.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=38_26&products_id=80.

[Drake]

Phase change has been able to push AMD near 3GHz. Good luck with your prometia :D!

Dunno... mebbe if you could find a way to fit one of Cathars waterblocks on your gfx card :rolleyes: Not much improvement to be made on the setup you have planned.

You planning on gaming on this rig? Or is it just a leap into the extreme cooling scene?

[starck]

Even if I can make the white water fit on the GPU, my water temp will be a problem, maybe I should consider getting some water chilling stuff, gotta do some searching....
This machine is gonna be some kinda all-in-one thing, it'll be my 3D rednering machine, but also gaming and hell yes, tis 'bout time to get some extreme cooling going :D
Anyways, thank you Drake.

Any other thoughts guys?

starck :)

[bigg]

get the stuff out of an old fridge or a/c and put it in a resevoir w/ the pump. then use the DD zchip and mcw50T and u'll have helluva fast sys. BTW the NB really doesn't need more than a fan... but it would be cool, and could make it more stable while doing 3d rendering etc.

[soccrstar]

Originally posted by bigg
get the stuff out of an old fridge or a/c and put it in a resevoir w/ the pump. then use the DD zchip and mcw50T and u'll have helluva fast sys. BTW the NB really doesn't need more than a fan... but it would be cool, and could make it more stable while doing 3d rendering etc.

hmm wat stufff outta an old fridge or a/c?

i alwayz wanted to know how u folks do dat water chillin' thingy

[Player0]

Hi, and welcome to the forums. :)

"I am a new user so if I'm syaing anything wrong pls forgive my ignorance."

No worries, you couldn't possibly be more ignorant than me ;)

Eheim 1260 600GPH
Swifty MCW50-T for GPU w/ 172W DRIFT pelt from DD
Swifty MCW50-T for Northbridge w/ 80w pelt
OCPC Neptune "The Abyss" with 2X 120mm fans or
2 x BIX w/ 4 120mm Fans
1/2" tubing

"I dont need the CPU block as I'll be using Prommy for it."

Nice.

"The question is, is the Eheim 1260 overkill for only 2 blocks? I'll be placing the whole thing outside of my case, prolly on the top,"

Absolutely too much. Although Im not familiar with a 1260. The 600GPH Eheims I have are Eheim 1060s. Maybe you mean that. First off, there isn't much point in watercooling the northbridge. Ive tried variations of this, and it simply adds no benefit. If quiet is your game, go get one of those nice Zalman NB fanless heatinks. Or a really big one. Just dont put a fan on it. Your performance wont suffer, and youll be quieter. Or, if y ou dont mind the fan, leave it on, especially for those hot summer months if you dont have AC in the room. But, I dont beleive that you are likely to get any performance benefit by trying to cool the northbridge so much.

So, if all you really want to cool the GPU (and consider the video ram as well), 600GPH is way too much. Use the Eheim 1048 pump. Not only is it cheaper, its smaller and quieter, and might actually fit inside the case. SwiftTech & Dangerden sells other brands of pumps which are smaller as well, and will give you all the performance you need. Using a Eheim 1060, or even a 1250 (380GPH) may cause the radiators to not work properly, and may actually reduce yer performance.

"and I'm trying to get the water temp to 10C or below, or as low as possible without using any chillers, with room temp around 23C-28C during summer. Are those rads enough to do this with 2 pelts running?"

You aren't chilling the water itself. With a good size peltier on the GPU, you are talking about 150-180w max load on the water. One single BIX radiator with a medium fan would be more than enough. If your looking to save $40, buy a standard heater core. I think much more than that for just the GPU would be overkill. Not that overkill is really bad, but...your performance gain for a second radiator (or a double 120mm like the abyss) is just not going to be that much with such a small heat load.

Good luck, sounds interesting :)

[bigg]

P0, u've now got 1260s. they cahnged the model number, but didn't change the pump. acording to DD.

[starck]

Thank you for your warm welcome Player0 :)

I'm thinking to put a pelt on the NB bcos when I was playing around with the 8rda+, the NB was very hot to the touch, I'll do the VDD mod as soon as I get everything together, so I'm guessing it'll get even hotter. I've just read a fix for stable vcore over 2.0v for 8rda+, then the system temp will go even higher and I'll put ramsinks or even a fan on top of the Mosfets too, if i could figure out a way i might put another pelt on it, hehe.

bigg you're right they've changed the model to 1260, still the same pump.

So the 1260 really is overkill? What about the Iwaki pumps? I've heard good things about them, but much more expensive.

Im curious about chilling the water, how do you guys make custom water chillers? shall I try making a custom res. with 4 226w pelts to chill the water? thats gonna be interesting....

anyways really appreciate for your inputs :D

starck :)

[Player0]

"I'm thinking to put a pelt on the NB bcos when I was playing around with the 8rda+, the NB was very hot to the touch, I'll do the VDD mod as soon as I get everything together, so I'm guessing it'll get even hotter. I've just read a fix for stable vcore over 2.0v for 8rda+, then the system temp will go even higher and I'll put ramsinks or even a fan on top of the Mosfets too, if i could figure out a way i might put another pelt on it, hehe."

Well they NBs do get hot. So, maybe it might be worth it on your particular one to try a pelt :) You wont need anything too big, maybe a 120w unit. It can only help :) I ALWAYS put heatsinks on the mosfets. They get so hot. My dual xeon boards have heatsinks on them, so i think its a good plan ;)

"So the 1260 really is overkill? What about the Iwaki pumps? I've heard good things about them, but much more expensive."

Not familiar with them. If i was doing this, Id totally get an Eheim 1048. Just make sure to get different fittings for it so it will work in your 1/2" ID system. The eheim is small, quiet, reliable, and still has enough power to do what you need.

"Im curious about chilling the water, how do you guys make custom water chillers? shall I try making a custom res. with 4 226w pelts to chill the water? thats gonna be interesting...."

I chill water with peltiers. I use 4x172w units and a custom alu chiller block. It works well, but extremely inefficient. 4x226w peltiers would need a powersupply that would cost $500 alone, and $30 a month to power. And, its own 220v wall circuit. If you were serious about doing that...i would not just mount these on some resevoir where they have no surface area to do any good :) No...you already have a prometia, so its not worth it. Your plan with the peltier water blocks and the simple radiator is the best solution. You dont want another phase change chiller just for your video card :) Its cheaper to buy a GeforceFX ;)

[bigg]

if u ran them w/o peltier a 226 watt tec should chill the water well, and with one, 2 120-172 watt tecs should be fine. remember that P0 is trying to transfer more than 350 watts of heat to the hot loop. u could get nowhere near that.