Prometeias are back.

[illmatik]

Linkage (http://www.extremecoolingtechnologies.com/)

[Player0]

Nice :)

[Kill-Switch]

That's great, at least the phase change market won't go stagnent as it's now got two companies competing again :)

[Flybye]

......change market won't go stagnent as it's now got two companies competing again :)
With the amount of power users out there, one would think more phase change companies would exist.

Hmm...how efficient would a compressor be if it were the size of a coffee mug and specifically designed to fit in a computer case. Smaller, cheaper, and possibly as efficient as the bigger models. There might be big money waiting to be made somewhere out there ;)

[Kill-Switch]

With the amount of power users out there, one would think more phase change companies would exist.

Hmm...how efficient would a compressor be if it were the size of a coffee mug and specifically designed to fit in a computer case. Smaller, cheaper, and possibly as efficient as the bigger models. There might be big money waiting to be made somewhere out there ;)


Actually the market for phase change systems is very small. Think about it the power user market is something small like 5% of all users. Out of the power users there is an equally as small percentage who are crazy enough to use phase change. So you have something like 5% of 5% which in the grand sceme of things equates to a very small number of people to cater for. So I don't see phase change hitting the big time just yet.

As for your other part, I'm not sure a compressor exists that is as small as you say ... and if there were it wouldn't be that good for cooling the CPU, maybe the GPU but even then it would be pushing it.

[Flybye]

.... Out of the power users there is an equally as small percentage who are crazy enough to use phase change.....
Crazy enough or just people simply willing to lay down the money for it?

Don't you think there would be a larger market if they were more affordable?

As a Mechanical Engineering major, I've been coming up with all sorts of ideas. As I get further, I'll be able to have a better understanding of things and be able to actually calculate what can work with what and at what efficencies.

You know the three main things most people look for: simplicity, functionalilty, and affordability. I've even come up with a chilled water kit in my head which could fit in a mid and full tower case.

Take for example the heat exchanger that I have. Extremely efficient becuase of its dual chamber spiral design, and it is the smallest heat exchanger that manufacturer produces. Yet the engineer there told me "It is WAAY overkill for your application"

All the compressors found in the phase change applications are designed for larger refrigeration units. I bet if someome designed something smaller that can easily fit in a case and be just as efficient, there might be a larger market for it.

Damn, I gotta hurry up and finish my project :D

[illmatik]

I think watercooling will take over for phase change in the future of computing when cool chips finally begin large scale production and distribution.

Their new peltiers boast almost a 50% carnot efficiency (10% more efficient than traditional compressors) Check out the calculator on their website (http://www.coolchips.com)

[Player0]

Phase change would be more popular if it was more affordable. A lot more people would use it, but guys like me cant afford it. Its bad enough upgrading my PC itself.

[DCMan]

Yeah, i'd definiately use it if I could afford it.. but i cant, so i dont.... :rolleyes:

[illmatik]

I've been having nothing but problems with my phasechange rig, but I'm hoping I'll have the kinks worked out this weekend. I may give watercooling another shot if this xp 2400 proves to be worthwhile, just for the exercise while I ponder watercooling the dual xeon I'm building.

It seems pelt cooling might be the way to go for certain A64s that have that subzero bug.

[gibant1]

Although the initial purchase seems to be expensive. You have to consider the performance gains you can achieve. The fact that the lga775 kit is being released shows that the prommi can move up through your new systems giving you a good lead time on new equipment.

Also consider the cost of a good watercooling system & Tec setup. It costs nearly the same and doesn't acheive anywhere near the O/C's.

If you can afford the system and aren't scared of the installation, go for it!

[Drake]

:D:DWELCOME:D:D to Liquid Ninjas, gibant1!

[Evil_Genius]

I just think of the cost involved, and then disaster recovery. The worst thing a phase change system can do is fill your case with gaseous fluorocarbon refrigerants. The worst thing a water cooling rig can do.....destroy every component in your computer (a bit dooms day I know but it is possible). How many mishaps does it take to equal the price difference between a WC rig and a phase change?? With the cost of high-end components I would imagine the number is one.

[Player0]

Even the worst soakings generally dont end up killing any components. Ive gotten lots of stuff wet cause I was rushing (its perfectly feasible to keep a watercooling system 100% dry) and the only thing I killed was a PSU i dumped a cup of water in. The rest of the PC is such a low voltage device that generally nothing bad happens. With that said, use clamps! LOL

[Evil_Genius]

Oh I didn't say it would. But the possibility is there. Where as in a phase change that simply isn't a consideration.

[NoobCompGuy]

uh, hate to bud in weirdly but.. i understand what everyones saying, except for the phase change on the market thing, i dont understand what that is.. someone gimme a hand?

ty

[Drake]

Asetek, for a time, was the only provider of phase change cooling products.

[gibant1]

uh, hate to bud in weirdly but.. i understand what everyones saying, except for the phase change on the market thing, i dont understand what that is.. someone gimme a hand?

ty

This should give you an Idea of what it's all about.

http://www.vr-zone.com/reviews/Cooling/Mach2/

[mischifdad]

I saw fairly new mach I sell for $300.00 this week in ebay.

Anyone know who has the best prices on Mach II prometias?